Posted by
m0t0r1zed on Friday, June 27, 2008 10:39:02 PM
LOL, financial speculation is funny. I'm obviously not an expert at it. No formal training in econ aside from basic macro micro nonsense. Best I can guess at is looking at big overall patterns. Then again, I'm not an expert in housing or the tech sector, and it was pretty obvious to an untrained layman, like myself, that those were bubbles. Same thing with oil. Lots of games being played under the surface ... ah well. Thousands of leprechauns spending lifetimes all running after giant pots of gold.
Anyhoo, just wondering how China is enjoying this little ride. The dollar's weak, but China lives and dies by exports so it artificially has to keep its currency low to match the dollar. Oil is bad enough in the US, so you wonder how China is dealing with it. Hmm, but they subsidize oil, so the braking effect on demand isn't as strong in China. Kind of a double whammy.
Also, you wonder how overall demand for their exports will fare with high energy costs eating up disposable income and when inflation starts to go on the march .... A global slowdown isn't going to help.
China's economy is gonna grow, but less due to high oil prices
Interesting - high oil leading to rise in coal prices and coal shortages in China and plants idling turbines
However they are still exporting coal - though decreasing ... less by 4.1%
And gearing up for coal-to-oil conversion plants - which makes environmentalists none too happy (Environmental News Network)
article on China's determined efforts on acquiring oil - back in the good 'ol days of $3 gas
Interesting quote from Tech Review
Since China has very little in the way of oil and gas reserves, its future depends on coal. With 13 percent of the world's proven reserves, China has enough coal to sustain its economic growth for a century or more.
And first paragraph from BBC News article
Coal built China - and fuels its relentless growth today. Eighty per cent of China's electricity comes from coal, and there are plans for 544 new coal-fired power stations to meet an insatiable demand for energy
Last two articles focus more on clean coal and greenhouse emissions, but let's face it, the Chinese gov't place environment second after economic growth. Oil speculators keep talking up China, but it seems that their economy is geared around coal.
Ah well, it's not like I know anything in depth about this, but it's interesting to look at just out of curiosity and see how things eventually turn out.
Edit: I'm looking around for cost per barrel for coal liquefaction. The sauce that wiki uses is a 2002 article from Diesel Fuel News. Have no clue if they're reliable or not. They say break even for China is oil above $20 per barrel, and $33-$35 for the US. LMAO. This can't be right!!!
Another key factor driving the project is China's interest in development strategic yet fairly cost-competitive alternatives to crude oil imports. While Shenhua officials believe the new project will provide a decent return on investment (close to 15%), this depends upon crude oil prices staying above $20/barrel.
In contrast, a similar project in the U.S. -- if ever attempted strictly on commercial terms -- would require long-term world crude prices to hover around $33 to $35/barrel, HTI's Lee explains. Such levels haven't been sustained for any lengthy period in world history.